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		<title>Comment on Papers by Correspondence &#8211; reflections on Dimitra Milioni&#8217;s article &#171; Public sphere++</title>
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		<dc:creator>Correspondence &#8211; reflections on Dimitra Milioni&#8217;s article &#171; Public sphere++</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on AR; Political discussion in online chat? by Daily News About Chat : A few links about Chat - Monday, 18 May 2009 00:48</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily News About Chat : A few links about Chat - Monday, 18 May 2009 00:48</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 09:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on AR &#8211; Conceptualizing Sources by Luigi G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luigi G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the experiment of putting the same product in a pepsi or coke can?

Different taste of course. But same theory ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the experiment of putting the same product in a pepsi or coke can?</p>
<p>Different taste of course. But same theory ;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finns uninterested in politics by Luigi</title>
		<link>http://raatali.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/finns-uninterested-in-politics/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Luigi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;they prefer to boycott products or protest or help in voluntary organizations than participate in something that brings no results according to them.&quot;

First of all, I believe you can make such a generalization due to your numerous researches on the field (if the sense is not patent I&#039;ll have to specify: I am being sarcastic).

I also have big news for you: there is nothing more political than boycotting some products or working in voluntary organizations. That is actually much more political than candidating oneself for municipality elections since in the former case one will not earn anything in doing so.

&gt;&quot;people are not interested, they donöt want to waste their time on politics since life is short enough and you have many other stuff that causes you worry enough&quot;

Everything you do involves other people (also if you live in a cottage in the middle of nowhere you will have to deal with national laws for example) and therefore is political. I can explain why, if requested.

&gt;&quot;All they want is that they elect people who will make their democratic country work fine. And that we don’t have to worry about anything else. Like in a well run company.&quot;

You sound like a real Finn. However: who told you that the government works fine? Which are the variables you considered when adfirming such a thing?

Paraphrasing your sentence: every government in the world works fine, according to the system in which it is located, since good and bad are very relative matters.

I mean: in which case can you say &#039;a government does not work well&#039;? 

And what is a &#039;well run company&#039;? Because then, I suppose, you would like governments to make lots of money, since that&#039;s what private companies are supposed to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;they prefer to boycott products or protest or help in voluntary organizations than participate in something that brings no results according to them.&#8221;</p>
<p>First of all, I believe you can make such a generalization due to your numerous researches on the field (if the sense is not patent I&#8217;ll have to specify: I am being sarcastic).</p>
<p>I also have big news for you: there is nothing more political than boycotting some products or working in voluntary organizations. That is actually much more political than candidating oneself for municipality elections since in the former case one will not earn anything in doing so.</p>
<p>&gt;&#8221;people are not interested, they donöt want to waste their time on politics since life is short enough and you have many other stuff that causes you worry enough&#8221;</p>
<p>Everything you do involves other people (also if you live in a cottage in the middle of nowhere you will have to deal with national laws for example) and therefore is political. I can explain why, if requested.</p>
<p>&gt;&#8221;All they want is that they elect people who will make their democratic country work fine. And that we don’t have to worry about anything else. Like in a well run company.&#8221;</p>
<p>You sound like a real Finn. However: who told you that the government works fine? Which are the variables you considered when adfirming such a thing?</p>
<p>Paraphrasing your sentence: every government in the world works fine, according to the system in which it is located, since good and bad are very relative matters.</p>
<p>I mean: in which case can you say &#8216;a government does not work well&#8217;? </p>
<p>And what is a &#8216;well run company&#8217;? Because then, I suppose, you would like governments to make lots of money, since that&#8217;s what private companies are supposed to do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finns uninterested in politics by pirania</title>
		<link>http://raatali.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/finns-uninterested-in-politics/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>pirania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, no wonder. Finland just follows more universal trend. 
The other way to look at this is what surveys often measure is a conventional participation or interest. So it&#039;s not that people don&#039;t care - they are just not interested in conventional participation - they prefer to boycott products or protest or help in voluntary organizations than participate in something that brings no results according to them.
Or it is also possible that actually a stealth democracy idea is true - people are not interested, they donöt want to waste their time on politics since life is short enough and you have many other stuff that causes you worry enough. but they don&#039;t want authoritarian regim either. All they want is that they elect people who will make their democratic country work fine.  And that we don&#039;t have to worry about anything else. Like in a well run company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, no wonder. Finland just follows more universal trend.<br />
The other way to look at this is what surveys often measure is a conventional participation or interest. So it&#8217;s not that people don&#8217;t care &#8211; they are just not interested in conventional participation &#8211; they prefer to boycott products or protest or help in voluntary organizations than participate in something that brings no results according to them.<br />
Or it is also possible that actually a stealth democracy idea is true &#8211; people are not interested, they donöt want to waste their time on politics since life is short enough and you have many other stuff that causes you worry enough. but they don&#8217;t want authoritarian regim either. All they want is that they elect people who will make their democratic country work fine.  And that we don&#8217;t have to worry about anything else. Like in a well run company.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Papers by A quick update &#171; Public sphere++</title>
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		<dc:creator>A quick update &#171; Public sphere++</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Online ad revenues down for the first time by Frustrated reporter</title>
		<link>http://raatali.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/online-ad-revenues-down-for-the-first-time/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Frustrated reporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the Web, is that newspapers can&#039;t make any money off it. Ads sell for .03 cents per impression -- meaning you average about $8 per thousand page views.
Trained, professional reporters still produce the ovewhelming bulk of authoritative information on the internet. Most bloggers link to LATimes.com, or USAToday.com or slate.com or newyorktimes.com for most of their content. The entire blogosphere is equivalent to a bunck of folks sitting around in a coffee shop discussing their opinions on the newspaper.
Trouble is, no one wants to pay for a newspaper online -- not readers, not advertisers.
Soon, you&#039;re right, the whole industry will go by the wayside. That&#039;s when the powers-that-be will make their move -- when the only check on their power is a swirling hurricane of lies, rumors, hearsay and conjecture.
Trust me. You&#039;ll miss us when we&#039;re gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the Web, is that newspapers can&#8217;t make any money off it. Ads sell for .03 cents per impression &#8212; meaning you average about $8 per thousand page views.<br />
Trained, professional reporters still produce the ovewhelming bulk of authoritative information on the internet. Most bloggers link to LATimes.com, or USAToday.com or slate.com or newyorktimes.com for most of their content. The entire blogosphere is equivalent to a bunck of folks sitting around in a coffee shop discussing their opinions on the newspaper.<br />
Trouble is, no one wants to pay for a newspaper online &#8212; not readers, not advertisers.<br />
Soon, you&#8217;re right, the whole industry will go by the wayside. That&#8217;s when the powers-that-be will make their move &#8212; when the only check on their power is a swirling hurricane of lies, rumors, hearsay and conjecture.<br />
Trust me. You&#8217;ll miss us when we&#8217;re gone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Visualizing cultural patterns by iLinkShare (Web 2.0 linksharing)</title>
		<link>http://raatali.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/visualizing-cultural-patterns/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>iLinkShare (Web 2.0 linksharing)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Patterns Links...&lt;/strong&gt;

Tagged your site as patterns at iLinkShare!...</description>
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<p>Tagged your site as patterns at iLinkShare!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on AR; about informational gift-giving in online communities by Priyanka</title>
		<link>http://raatali.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/ar-about-informational-gift-giving-in-online-communities/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Priyanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is identity building and altruism at the same time. Information giving or intelligent commenting would both be strong identity builders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is identity building and altruism at the same time. Information giving or intelligent commenting would both be strong identity builders.</p>
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		<title>Comment on AR; About social cues in online discussion by a.</title>
		<link>http://raatali.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/ar-about-social-cues-in-online-discussion/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>a.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, ok, good point; and this is really a good example of hyperpersonal communication (Walther): you can have the same conversation face-to-face, but these explicit cues will give you much more immediately relevant information about the other players.

I tend to be filled with envy by the look of those, mind you. ^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, ok, good point; and this is really a good example of hyperpersonal communication (Walther): you can have the same conversation face-to-face, but these explicit cues will give you much more immediately relevant information about the other players.</p>
<p>I tend to be filled with envy by the look of those, mind you. ^^</p>
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